Q&A Ask Me Anything about Slots (AMA) 2020 with Trancemonkey

1) Are free spins already a pre-determined result as a batch?

i.e. When taking a deposit plus free spins it has been seen that the total amount won credits the balance before the free spins are played.

How can the batch of spins/casino/provider know what the end result would be if all spins are random?

Can you help explain please?

And, a fairly simple one i hope:
As I understand it, the RNG pulls out, well, let's say 10 results for 10 FS; as the visual display you see is simply eye candy displaying the results, the results are known the moment theyre pulled


I guess, in simplest terms of analogy; you can pull out a CD randomly from a stack and load it into a pc and hit shuffle and it pulls tracks 2, 7 and 12

it's already known (to the pc) those tracks will be (ex) 2 min 20s, 4 min 30s and 3 min 14s long even before you personally play out the songs because, while those were randomly chosen, the pc reads the lengths before you enjoy them
 
I just reviewed the other day Marching Legions from Relax Gaming. It has an RTP of 98.12%. :cheerleader:

I cant wait for this release.

Good to see a provider doing this. They will become known as the cream of providers compared to PnG and Red Tiger f they stick with this culture.

With titles like Money Train and Temple Tumble Megaways they have been releasing some good quality fun games.

Cant go wrong with single versions of slots in my book. The quality will shine through.

Where did you do the review please? I cant find it?
 
The RTP is sourced from the RNG on the game server, all players everywhere pull results from it. There can be more than one server for the game, depending on whose platform it is provided through, but it's irrelevant to you personally.

Well,

As much as i try to believe your statement, there are a few casino's out there having differences in bets, gameplay, volatility and so on. So even if a game would request data from the same provider, there's defenitly difference's in outcome.

Lets just say i pumped 1k in barely 2 days into 2 different casino's. One gave me a far better playing time compared to the other, where i both lost the 500 each. I know it's supposed to be a random event, but my experience at the other casino is that it repeatedly gives me better play time compared to the other.

Or the odd wagering that's going on. You cant hit a bonus. You cant hit a big win. But your constantly rewarded with smaller

I also find it odd, that after every withdrawl, i need to wager a shitload before a general big win is actually there again. Yes this happens random too but i've seen too many of the blocking towards my attempts, or being artificially held 'up' to a certain ceiling, to fall back down again. Dont matter which game i do play tho.

I really dont believe that what we're being told is the absolute truth. There's more to it. I'm pretty sure of it. The next time i'm getting celebrated over the email with another offer i might as well shoot for an invitation at the office to see what it's all about. I'm not sure if they would bite at all. No i have yes i can get.

Really if i look back over the last past year; it's bin a bad ride to be honest.
 
Well,

As much as i try to believe your statement, there are a few casino's out there having differences in bets, gameplay, volatility and so on. So even if a game would request data from the same provider, there's defenitly difference's in outcome.

Lets just say i pumped 1k in barely 2 days into 2 different casino's. One gave me a far better playing time compared to the other, where i both lost the 500 each. I know it's supposed to be a random event, but my experience at the other casino is that it repeatedly gives me better play time compared to the other.

Or the odd wagering that's going on. You cant hit a bonus. You cant hit a big win. But your constantly rewarded with smaller

I also find it odd, that after every withdrawl, i need to wager a shitload before a general big win is actually there again. Yes this happens random too but i've seen too many of the blocking towards my attempts, or being artificially held 'up' to a certain ceiling, to fall back down again. Dont matter which game i do play tho.

I really dont believe that what we're being told is the absolute truth. There's more to it. I'm pretty sure of it. The next time i'm getting celebrated over the email with another offer i might as well shoot for an invitation at the office to see what it's all about. I'm not sure if they would bite at all. No i have yes i can get.

Really if i look back over the last past year; it's bin a bad ride to be honest.
Can't you just start your own ask bloaty everything he don't know about slots thread instead of hijacking this one with your groundless theories?
 
I would like to ask a question. How long till we see providers creating actual games with storylines and/or exp? That would be insanely fun. For example, a shooter where you buy guns/ammo or a medieval game where you buy weapons/armour/food etc.
 
Well,

As much as i try to believe your statement, there are a few casino's out there having differences in bets, gameplay, volatility and so on. So even if a game would request data from the same provider, there's defenitly difference's in outcome.

Lets just say i pumped 1k in barely 2 days into 2 different casino's. One gave me a far better playing time compared to the other, where i both lost the 500 each. I know it's supposed to be a random event, but my experience at the other casino is that it repeatedly gives me better play time compared to the other.

Or the odd wagering that's going on. You cant hit a bonus. You cant hit a big win. But your constantly rewarded with smaller

I also find it odd, that after every withdrawl, i need to wager a shitload before a general big win is actually there again. Yes this happens random too but i've seen too many of the blocking towards my attempts, or being artificially held 'up' to a certain ceiling, to fall back down again. Dont matter which game i do play tho.

I really dont believe that what we're being told is the absolute truth. There's more to it. I'm pretty sure of it. The next time i'm getting celebrated over the email with another offer i might as well shoot for an invitation at the office to see what it's all about. I'm not sure if they would bite at all. No i have yes i can get.

Really if i look back over the last past year; it's bin a bad ride to be honest.

FFS. We are barely 3 pages into the new thread and you have filled it up with your utter tripe.
 
I would like to ask a question. How long till we see providers creating actual games with storylines and/or exp? That would be insanely fun. For example, a shooter where you buy guns/ammo or a medieval game where you buy weapons/armour/food etc.
There is a game called "Castle builder" by microgaming (actually rabcat)
Maybe not exactly what you meant, but it has some of the elements you mentioned.
Never tried it myself.
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Well,

As much as i try to believe your statement, there are a few casino's out there having differences in bets, gameplay, volatility and so on. So even if a game would request data from the same provider, there's defenitly difference's in outcome.

Lets just say i pumped 1k in barely 2 days into 2 different casino's. One gave me a far better playing time compared to the other, where i both lost the 500 each. I know it's supposed to be a random event, but my experience at the other casino is that it repeatedly gives me better play time compared to the other.

Or the odd wagering that's going on. You cant hit a bonus. You cant hit a big win. But your constantly rewarded with smaller

I also find it odd, that after every withdrawl, i need to wager a shitload before a general big win is actually there again. Yes this happens random too but i've seen too many of the blocking towards my attempts, or being artificially held 'up' to a certain ceiling, to fall back down again. Dont matter which game i do play tho.

I really dont believe that what we're being told is the absolute truth. There's more to it. I'm pretty sure of it. The next time i'm getting celebrated over the email with another offer i might as well shoot for an invitation at the office to see what it's all about. I'm not sure if they would bite at all. No i have yes i can get.

Really if i look back over the last past year; it's bin a bad ride to be honest.

You do have a point. I think you are questioning if there is a pattern/sequence of events, of any kind, that goes against pure randomness. Assuming that you have played loads a particular slot in places, you started to observe 'things' and with a bit of critical thinking you refuse to accept that it was just ahem.. random.

For example a odd string of spins that happens to repeat themselves paying exactly the same - Book of Dead different features paying the same amount, down to cents, not many spins apart each other, example 0.80 bet 13.30 total win. If the features are generated by the provider and are extracted from a pool, what are the odds to hit the same non ordinary amount in a very low sample of spins like 100? It randomness actually picked that amount, how does it always happens to be a low figure number in accordance to the bet and not 2 near-consecutive 1000x features?

Another instance is when the spins are acting erratically, knowing the outcome before the spin actually finishes - Bonanza, triggering a straight feature, it feels like is applied on the screen given the speed of the spin, or when the multiplier have a odd 2 seconds before being displayed on the screen after a sequence of wins, that spin is dead. With this in mind, when a slot tends to spin slower, example Immortal Romance, the slot is on take-mode breaking any random rule that implies a few X win has to show up. Have you been through a 30 spins of pure death of this slot? I did, not tying together three bloody 9s. That feels unnatural and likely is.

Another instance, no idea if this is still in practice, on Quasar Gaming when I selected a slot to play instead of loading the slot it loaded a 'room' of the said slot and I had to pick a number, some numbers were occupied by other users playing it and I could spectate them, other numbers showed how much the slot paid after the previous user vacated it and other numbers were free to enter showing the game logo. It gave the impression of a real casino with seats and machines. Once I 'seated' at a machine and started to play, depending on the developments I either switched the 'seat' after numerous dead spins or I stayed put. After a feature came in instead of waiting for feature frequency to kick in, I switched the 'seat' like starting anew,, like playing the same slot on another casino, and I could see improvements: the behavior of the slot while I played for 500 spins straight versus switching the 'seat' after a feature, counting up to 500 spins and comparing the results. Which method do you think have saw me doing better even if not winning? This is my problem with feature frequency, how it behaves when staying for a longer session, how many features the slot produces and how it behaves when the aim is to hit the feature on multiple casinos in smaller sessions.

Then the obvious sudden death that follows a decent win, the pattern of decreasing/upping the bet that often acts as a toggle to the slot behavior, the 'surprise' 10-20x win right at the end of the balance... and many other post traumatic stress disorders that plagues the psychic after playing them for far too many years, and I like to believe that there is a bit of truth is any of them after I can safely attest that the mind is not playing games on me when the obvious 'wow wtf' moment happens in a state of self awareness, like hitting the same odd win value, odd anti-random spin streaks or the predispositions of starting the feature with a built in template knowing the result by looking at the animation, progressing inevitably in leaving the balance bare, calling it another day of 'casino fun' lol.
 
Any chance to have own thread for "Theories about how slots are rigged, based on feelings" and keep this thread to actual slot Q&A?

There these obvious things could be all brought in one place instead of taking over thread after thread. Have btw ever thinking how big difference it makes what you are wearing when playing or what music or other noices backround make difference and other such things what your device can catch? If any of mods could remove this post and other 0 value posts from this thread, this might stay somehow readable.
 
I have a question please.

Its with regards to free spins given away as deposit bonuses.

Are free spins already a pre-determined result as a batch?

i.e. When taking a deposit plus free spins it has been seen that the total amount won credits the balance before the free spins are played.

How can the batch of spins/casino/provider know what the end result would be if all spins are random?

Can you help explain please?


Im afraid I can't explain that in a way that I would be certain about... my guess is that some games providers treat Free Spins in a different way. If the have to be taken on certain games they may pull all the results before the games are played. I have never been involved in games required to give free spins so I can't honestly say.
 
Any chance to have own thread for "Theories about how slots are rigged, based on feelings" and keep this thread to actual slot Q&A?

There these obvious things could be all brought in one place instead of taking over thread after thread. Have btw ever thinking how big difference it makes what you are wearing when playing or what music or other noices backround make difference and other such things what your device can catch? If any of mods could remove this post and other 0 value posts from this thread, this might stay somehow readable.
I would agree to be honest. I dont really want to say that posts should be removed, but it would be good to try and moderate this so we don't get too sidetracked.
 
The spins necessary for you to get your stated RTP are not fixed but a simple representation of the average - they cannot be fixed or the game would not be random, would it? You could have 100 spins at a Euro and win 96 back, hitting it in just 100 spins. Equally you could have 1m spins and be running at +/- say 20% deviation from the stated RTP, the deviation likely to be bigger the higher the volatility. I sense you are asking that if the RTP was say achieved over 1m spins, you had had 990,000 and were running 10% below the stated 96%, would you be guaranteed a 'recovery' spell over the next 1,000 spins? No. You wouldn't.
All the developers can do is audit the game over billions of RNG pulls and check it does fall very close to the RTP the maths was designed around.

Most games actually DO give the customer and sometimes the player the average win frequency, feature frequency etc. in the crib sheets/rules, even average feature returns.

True, you can get predetermined feature results (Netent you say, also like Push Gaming's Jammin' Jars) whereby the RNG result is from say 0x to 1500x and all you watch is animations to demonstrate the predetermined outcome. Some, like BTG, profess to pull random outcomes for each free spin therefore the total is not pre-decided as soon as you land the feature. Both methods are permissible and legal.

The RTP is sourced from the RNG on the game server, all players everywhere pull results from it. There can be more than one server for the game, depending on whose platform it is provided through, but it's irrelevant to you personally. The results aren't 'pooled' as you suggest when you say that a player winning 40,000x would mean other players have less chance. The 40,000x winner has simply picked the luckiest 1/10million RNG result, and that 'ball' goes straight back in the RNG pool so you have exactly the same chance of picking it on your next spin, as do all the players including the person who just won it! In fact if you refer back to @trancemonkey he will tell you that IGT actually go to great pains to specify that particular point in their game rules.

There's no point in 'compensating' or rigging the pool of RNG outcomes as the server is providing huge quantities of results to thousands of players and the game will, eventually, return it's 96% RTP and 4% house edge to the operators. Of course, some operators may 'lose' on the slot if their players win and be running 105% on it whereas another may be running 91% and have a temporary 9% house edge - the gambling aspect affects both you and the casino! You can see this demonstrated at casinos like Videoslots who state the current RTP for their individual slots offered.

So no, the server doesn't cater to the individual player, nor the individual casino (unless the casino is the only operator using that particular game server).

You answered most of that very well Mr. Dunover. Only one comment - it IS possible in games that can be calculated to know exactly how many games are in a cycle. For example, if you have a game where you have 5 reels with 64 stops, all evenly weighted, the the cycle is 5^64 = 1,073,741,824 possible reel stops. Of course that still wouldn't mean that after that number of games it would guarantee to be on its exact RTP, but that's how many games on average it should take.

The last part of °°° statement is pointless though, because it basically says "I won't except any proof unless it can be independently verified". So the fact that independent test houses such as GLI, BMM, etc are homologating the games isnt enough, well that just leaves us in a dead end.

The technical standards that are the rules games have to adhere to are freely available. Search on google for UKGC RTS Requirements. It's a pdf but you can read everything the online companies have to do
 
Hi Trance

When I play Raging Rhino and Montezuma at Unibet they both play fine without interruption, but when I play these two games at Genting, after around approximately 80 or so spins an error message pops up apologising for an unknown error and I have to close the game and reopen it, it will then play fine again for a while before the same thing happens again.
This happens regardless of if I'm playing on my desktop pc or android tablet.

Any idea why this happens at one operater but not the other?

Thanks in advance.

Each casino has to integrate the games in to its platform - it's likely a crap integration.
 
I have another question if i may. Sorry if im supposed to wait for the answer to the last one. Just thought it would be easier to bulk the two together.

here is the last q:

I have a question please.

Its with regards to free spins given away as deposit bonuses.

1) Are free spins already a pre-determined result as a batch?

i.e. When taking a deposit plus free spins it has been seen that the total amount won credits the balance before the free spins are played.

How can the batch of spins/casino/provider know what the end result would be if all spins are random?

Can you help explain please?

And, a fairly simple one i hope:

2) With regards to testing RTP on a new game - Is all testing done on a common/single stake size?

OR is each possible stake size for the game tested?

Thanks in advance Trance :)

With regards to the second question, if all RTPs are supposed to be the same RTP, then testing companies may test min stake, max stake and some random stakes from the rest of them.

If stakes have different RTPs then all stakes will be tested.
 
Well,

As much as i try to believe your statement, there are a few casino's out there having differences in bets, gameplay, volatility and so on. So even if a game would request data from the same provider, there's defenitly difference's in outcome.

Lets just say i pumped 1k in barely 2 days into 2 different casino's. One gave me a far better playing time compared to the other, where i both lost the 500 each. I know it's supposed to be a random event, but my experience at the other casino is that it repeatedly gives me better play time compared to the other.

Or the odd wagering that's going on. You cant hit a bonus. You cant hit a big win. But your constantly rewarded with smaller

I also find it odd, that after every withdrawl, i need to wager a shitload before a general big win is actually there again. Yes this happens random too but i've seen too many of the blocking towards my attempts, or being artificially held 'up' to a certain ceiling, to fall back down again. Dont matter which game i do play tho.

I really dont believe that what we're being told is the absolute truth. There's more to it. I'm pretty sure of it. The next time i'm getting celebrated over the email with another offer i might as well shoot for an invitation at the office to see what it's all about. I'm not sure if they would bite at all. No i have yes i can get.

Really if i look back over the last past year; it's bin a bad ride to be honest.

Bloat, you don't believe anything anyone ever says. You have your own ideas and opinions, but you are utterly incapable of changing your mind. With all due respect, if you aren't willing to listen to people who know what they are talking about, please dont ask questions you will simply ignore the answers too.

If you want to set up a thread as mentioned for you specifically talk about this, please do... I'll happily interact with you on there. But people wont read this if it's just you saying the same thing over and over again...
 
I would like to ask a question. How long till we see providers creating actual games with storylines and/or exp? That would be insanely fun. For example, a shooter where you buy guns/ammo or a medieval game where you buy weapons/armour/food etc.

They exist.. but they don't do very well. Wasnt one called Castle Builder done a few years ago?
 
You do have a point. I think you are questioning if there is a pattern/sequence of events, of any kind, that goes against pure randomness. Assuming that you have played loads a particular slot in places, you started to observe 'things' and with a bit of critical thinking you refuse to accept that it was just ahem.. random.

For example a odd string of spins that happens to repeat themselves paying exactly the same - Book of Dead different features paying the same amount, down to cents, not many spins apart each other, example 0.80 bet 13.30 total win. If the features are generated by the provider and are extracted from a pool, what are the odds to hit the same non ordinary amount in a very low sample of spins like 100? It randomness actually picked that amount, how does it always happens to be a low figure number in accordance to the bet and not 2 near-consecutive 1000x features?

Another instance is when the spins are acting erratically, knowing the outcome before the spin actually finishes - Bonanza, triggering a straight feature, it feels like is applied on the screen given the speed of the spin, or when the multiplier have a odd 2 seconds before being displayed on the screen after a sequence of wins, that spin is dead. With this in mind, when a slot tends to spin slower, example Immortal Romance, the slot is on take-mode breaking any random rule that implies a few X win has to show up. Have you been through a 30 spins of pure death of this slot? I did, not tying together three bloody 9s. That feels unnatural and likely is.

Another instance, no idea if this is still in practice, on Quasar Gaming when I selected a slot to play instead of loading the slot it loaded a 'room' of the said slot and I had to pick a number, some numbers were occupied by other users playing it and I could spectate them, other numbers showed how much the slot paid after the previous user vacated it and other numbers were free to enter showing the game logo. It gave the impression of a real casino with seats and machines. Once I 'seated' at a machine and started to play, depending on the developments I either switched the 'seat' after numerous dead spins or I stayed put. After a feature came in instead of waiting for feature frequency to kick in, I switched the 'seat' like starting anew,, like playing the same slot on another casino, and I could see improvements: the behavior of the slot while I played for 500 spins straight versus switching the 'seat' after a feature, counting up to 500 spins and comparing the results. Which method do you think have saw me doing better even if not winning? This is my problem with feature frequency, how it behaves when staying for a longer session, how many features the slot produces and how it behaves when the aim is to hit the feature on multiple casinos in smaller sessions.

Then the obvious sudden death that follows a decent win, the pattern of decreasing/upping the bet that often acts as a toggle to the slot behavior, the 'surprise' 10-20x win right at the end of the balance... and many other post traumatic stress disorders that plagues the psychic after playing them for far too many years, and I like to believe that there is a bit of truth is any of them after I can safely attest that the mind is not playing games on me when the obvious 'wow wtf' moment happens in a state of self awareness, like hitting the same odd win value, odd anti-random spin streaks or the predispositions of starting the feature with a built in template knowing the result by looking at the animation, progressing inevitably in leaving the balance bare, calling it another day of 'casino fun' lol.

I'll answer all these points tomorrow when I'm on my PC, but suffice to say that your theories about games are similar to Bloatgoats, and are sadly mostly incorrect.
 
I'll answer all these points tomorrow when I'm on my PC, but suffice to say that your theories about games are similar to Bloatgoats, and are sadly mostly incorrect.

Thanks. I am going through a conflicting process analyzing both sides of the coin as in the questions why the slots it would be needed to be tampered with and my own vast experience of simply playing and analyzing on the go - which is very possible to evolve in a certain psychological vibe and being just that, especially when losing, but I do keep myself brain washed by will for the sake of being open to fill new theories or if possible, facts. My perceptions were drastically altered when I breathed Hulk by Playtech for months long, seeing many irregularities and identifiable mathematical patters that were averse to the most sloppiest definition for Random, and this was years ago and the very reason I have quit Playtech software all together. I appreciate your insights from the control room but don't expect to craft an altar based on official opinions, people like you taught me what I know today, but things may not always go according to the manual hence the asked questions and if you don't mind, more to come :)
 
Thanks. I am going through a conflicting process analyzing both sides of the coin as in the questions why the slots it would be needed to be tampered with and my own vast experience of simply playing and analyzing on the go - which is very possible to evolve in a certain psychological vibe and being just that, especially when losing, but I do keep myself brain washed by will for the sake of being open to fill new theories or if possible, facts. My perceptions were drastically altered when I breathed Hulk by Playtech for months long, seeing many irregularities and identifiable mathematical patters that were averse to the most sloppiest definition for Random, and this was years ago and the very reason I have quit Playtech software all together. I appreciate your insights from the control room but don't expect to craft an altar based on official opinions, people like you taught me what I know today, but things may not always go according to the manual hence the asked questions and if you don't mind, more to come :)

I know bloatgoat hates me saying this, but I have to repeat that my opinions are based on the companies I have worked for and those that I know well through other colleagues and contacts.

I can not and will not say that every company in this industry is whiter than white. Money is involved, so there will always be bad eggs. But the industry is, now, generally very tightly regulated, and those are only set to get tighter.

Ask yourself this:

Companies like IGT, SG, Netent, etc are worth huge amounts of money. If they were caught in any market doing something dodgy, they would likely lose their licence to operate in almost all markets, basically closing the business over night. Nevada have such stringent rules, you wouldn't believe the things companies have to do to get a Nevada licence.

All gambling games have a mathematical edge. The will always make money long term. So why risk cheating? Want more money? Lower the RTP. Simples.
 
To better understand how slots and random works it can help to imagine the simplest game we can and something you can test yourself. A coin flip. Since the coin has 2 sides it gives us that the RTP of the coin flip is 50% assuming heads you loose and tails you double your bet.
If you flip this coin 100 times you will see patterns in the result. Maybe you get 5 heads in a row. Maybe 2 heads then 2 tails then 2 heads then 2 tails. This causes us to see patterns since we are very good at finding patterns even when they don't matter or are not actually there. This also gives that it doesn't matter at all if its you, me or 100 separate people who flip this coin or their own coin. They are all equally random.

This coin flip game however is too fair. The casino doesn't get a cut from operating this coin flip game. We can adjust for this by saying that if the coin lands on the edge and stands up then the casino also wins. Its a small chance of that happening but its all the casino needs since it doesn't care about the single coin flip you do. Its about the millions of coin flips that are done over the whole lifetime of the game. There is also no reason to cheat/have a memory/know that specific player in any way since its already built into the rules of the game that the casino will win in the end. Just like a slot machine.
 
All gambling games have a mathematical edge. The will always make money long term. So why risk cheating? Want more money? Lower the RTP. Simples.

Sure, this make sense, according to the manual :) But what about when the investors persuade a company to make more money but they fail to deliver playable/popular slots and they don't want to diminish/alienate their player base by reducing the RTP?

I don't have enough knowledge on what it's in for the providers, how they split the profits with the casinos, but assuming the company under performed for a period of time, wouldn't be handy a switch in the program to perform as told according to some specifics like time of the day, amount of running spins etc? No tinfoil here, it's just business and many businesses are built, maintained, expanded on blood money and zero morality, ethics and other humane concepts - not necessarily in that order or on all points. IG Farben conglomerate after were split they just changed form, I likely have a Bayern product in my home under their logo or a subsidiary. What I'm implying here is that just being a colossus doesn't automatically make it legitimate, on the contrary I would say, because big means many mouths needs to be fed, and the political ones are historically the most expensive.

Due to my lack of knowledge I may talk shit, but are the games that are tested by the independent labs the versions that are running on the casinos? Thunderkick at least are displaying the numerous version changes in right side corner, others do not, who is verifying these versions, why is the need to update a slot and what if the slot is replaced by a clone? Why there have been instances when the slots started to malfunction, regardless of whom profited from it, wasn't that cloning gone wrong? Don't tell me it were the same versions tested by the labs because I have a hard time to believe that a slot would break at one point, affecting its defined maths, rng capabilities and making it exploitable. I think you may know the examples I'm referring to.

I play Immortal Romance since was released(loads of 4 reel wild desires in 2012-2015) and in time I saw it under performing to the initial expectations(pre HTML 5, even worse after), this does not mean that I lost on it and I suddenly saw the Illuminati triangle, I lost on it before too, but the manner in which I started to lose felt that the game was replaced by a clone slightly modified in its ability to churn out sizeable wins. After I played it for years long the change was undeniable there and after tens of thousands of spins, the change was shining. I never imagined cheating, if there indeed is, to be in your face money grabbing, but something subtle, multifaceted with the purpose to generate a number and then stop, THE$SWITCH haha, the extra dough so to say, or to replace the slot by a 1:1 clone to act on certain hours/days. The Russians have cloned many slots so they are not infallible in breaking, at least these version are easy to spot. Is there a body that actively is looking for slots to be the same as launched and the 'updated' versions ever go through any sort of check? Man, I honestly can fill 1 page of questions derived from other questions. Where is big money involved and investors interested in their numbers to inflate, everything is open for anything, including the much regulated casino business with shady and shadowy figures within legitimate regulatory bodies sitting on islands that washes more money than the sea waves washes the beaches.
 
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To better understand how slots and random works it can help to imagine the simplest game we can and something you can test yourself. A coin flip. Since the coin has 2 sides it gives us that the RTP of the coin flip is 50% assuming heads you loose and tails you double your bet.
If you flip this coin 100 times you will see patterns in the result. Maybe you get 5 heads in a row. Maybe 2 heads then 2 tails then 2 heads then 2 tails. This causes us to see patterns since we are very good at finding patterns even when they don't matter or are not actually there. This also gives that it doesn't matter at all if its you, me or 100 separate people who flip this coin or their own coin. They are all equally random.

This coin flip game however is too fair. The casino doesn't get a cut from operating this coin flip game. We can adjust for this by saying that if the coin lands on the edge and stands up then the casino also wins. Its a small chance of that happening but its all the casino needs since it doesn't care about the single coin flip you do. Its about the millions of coin flips that are done over the whole lifetime of the game. There is also no reason to cheat/have a memory/know that specific player in any way since its already built into the rules of the game that the casino will win in the end. Just like a slot machine.

The coin example is sensible to which I agree, to a degree. The slot is supposed to work as a trifecta of dices thrown and that is the result, pure unhinged randomness. Have you seen tampered dices that look legitimate and are inclined to fall on a near established result? I saw in a holiday in Berlin. The 'no reason to cheat etc part' just because there is a house edge is a quite naive take. There is no reason to be evil, greedy, but people just do, they don't have to but they can't help themselves being uhm, humans.
 
Sure, this make sense, according to the manual :) But what about when the investors persuade a company to make more money but they fail to deliver playable/popular slots and they don't want to diminish/alienate their player base by reducing the RTP?

I don't have enough knowledge on what it's in for the providers, how they split the profits with the casinos, but assuming the company under performed for a period of time, wouldn't be handy a switch in the program to perform as told according to some specifics like time of the day, amount of running spins etc? No tinfoil here, it's just business and many businesses are built, maintained, expanded on blood money and zero morality, ethics and other humane concepts - not necessarily in that order or on all points. IG Farben conglomerate after were split they just changed form, I likely have a Bayern product in my home under their logo or a subsidiary. What I'm implying here is that just being a colossus doesn't automatically make it legitimate, on the contrary I would say, because big means many mouths needs to be fed, and the political ones are historically the most expensive.

Due to my lack of knowledge I may talk shit, but are the games that are tested by the independent labs the versions that are running on the casinos? Thunderkick at least are displaying the numerous version changes in right side corner, others do not, who is verifying these versions, why is the need to update a slot and what if the slot is replaced by a clone? Why there have been instances when the slots started to malfunction, regardless of whom profited from it, wasn't that cloning gone wrong? Don't tell me it were the same versions tested by the labs because I have a hard time to believe that a slot would break at one point, affecting its defined maths, rng capabilities and making it exploitable. I think you may know the examples I'm referring to.

I play Immortal Romance since was released(loads of 4 reel wild desires in 2012-2015) and in time I saw it under performing to the initial expectations(pre HTML 5, even worse after), this does not mean that I lost on it and I suddenly saw the Illuminati triangle, I lost on it before too, but the manner in which I started to lose felt that the game was replaced by a clone slightly modified in its ability to churn out sizeable wins. After I played it for years long the change was undeniable there and after tens of thousands of spins, the change was shining. I never imagined cheating, if there indeed is, to be in your face money grabbing, but something subtle, multifaceted with the purpose to generate a number and then stop, THE$SWITCH haha, the extra dough so to say, or to replace the slot by a 1:1 clone to act on certain hours/days. The Russians have cloned many slots so they are not infallible in breaking, at least these version are easy to spot. Is there a body that actively is looking for slots to be the same as launched and the 'updated' versions ever go through any sort of check? Man, I honestly can fill 1 page of questions derived from other questions. Where is big money involved and investors interested in their numbers to inflate, everything is open for anything, including the much regulated casino business with shady and shadowy figures within legitimate regulatory bodies sitting on islands that washes more money than the sea waves washes the beaches.

Yes, the checksum of the game that it's running on the server must match that which was independently tested. And yes, regulators can turn up and demand to test the packages on the server to make sure they match the documented versions.

Can yes, absolutely fake versions of games are around - normally on Russian sites.
 

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